Misrepresenting hudud – MUTILIATION OF LIMBS OF THIEVES

Note; the following extract from submission.org is for my personal reference. When talking about hudud  even amongst “agamawan” or religionists, the cutting  or severing of the limbs is always used as examples. How misleading, it says. Hududulaah is limits of GOD. In this extract it explains that the word CUT is not severing or mutiliation it is “mark” or “guris” or “lukai”   or ” tanda” in Malay. Usually, The Prophet’s Hadis is used to strenghten their argument.

It is also interesting that the verse after the punishment, is  a verse on forgiveness.

5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands* as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

[5:39] If one repents after committing this crime, and reforms, GOD redeems him. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[5:40] Do you not know that GOD possesses the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth? He punishes whomever He wills, and forgives whomever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.

[5:41] O you messenger, do not be saddened by those who hasten to disbelieve among those who say, “We believe,” with their mouths, while their hearts do not believe. Among the Jews, some listened to lies. They listened to people who never met you, and who distorted the words out of context, then said, “If you are given this, accept it, but if you are given anything different, beware.” Whomever GOD wills to divert, you can do nothing to help him against GOD. GOD does not wish to cleanse their hearts. They have incurred humiliation in this world, and in the Hereafter, they will suffer a terrible retribution.
*5:38 The practice of cutting off the thief’s hand, as decreed by the false Muslims, is a satanic practice without Quranic basis. Due to the special importance of this example, God has provided mathematical proof in support of marking the hand of the thief, rather than severing it. Verse 12:31 refers to the women who so admired Joseph that they
“cut” their hands. Obviously, they did not “cut off” their hands; nobody can. The sum of sura and verse numbers are the same for 5:38 and 12:31, i.e., 43. It is also the will and mercy of God that this mathematical relationship conforms with the Quran’s 19-based code. Nineteen verses after 12:31, we see the same word (12:50).
55610 [5:42] They are upholders of lies, and eaters of illicit earnings. If they come to you to judge among them, you may judge among them, or you may disregard them. If you choose to disregard them, they cannot harm you in the least. But if you judge among them, you shall judge equitably. GOD loves those who are equitable.

6 Responses to Misrepresenting hudud – MUTILIATION OF LIMBS OF THIEVES

  1. The statistic on the severing of hands of thieves were very insignificant over a period of 300 years. Pl check the book by Mohammad Qutb.

    The proposal by Archbishop Rowan Atkinson on the need for the UK to have a
    syaria system of laws for moslems in UK showed how highly Rowan admired Islamic law . As muslims one must try understand the underlying rationale of law made by Allah Almighty.

    Sometimes chinaman like lim kit siang canappreciate the need to be honest on the implementation of laws in Islamic country. During Mahathir’s regime RTM
    went overboard in demonstrating that a man was shot 2x on the head in an execution in Kabul. But then our Minister in charge Zam told Parliament,when yhat issue was raised by lim kit siang -that Malaysians
    would get that kind of treatment if Pas is in control of the government.

    I certainly hope that Pak Lah-having put up the Islam Hadari as one of the election manifesto, would have a great respect for the syaria eve though Malaysia does not plan to implement it. It would be prudent for the PM to leave the old bag Zam by the road side in this coming election

  2. inspigoblog says:

    you believe him? or it gives muslims more confidence and feeds into muslims insecurities. The suggestion is causing more distrusts and miseries to the minority muslims in the uk. The muslims just want practical, fair just and compassionate law. the westminster has been providing better protections then many so called man made syaria.

  3. admin says:

    assalamualaikum.

    the Koran needs hadeeth to explain them, and companions (r.a) have succeeded in safeguarding them..the knowledge of knowing the reliable or trustworthy narrators is called the science of JARH wa TA’DIL.

    Can we understand Koran through other way than the way Sahabah/Companions understand it?

    My answer is NO, it is due to the reason, they were the one who transmitted the wordings. It is important to higlight here that the Prophet (pbuh) explanation of the Koran can be divided into three a) Speech B) Action c) Silent(which is approval)

    and again, the transmitters of Prophet’s speech, actions and approval are companions. And because of this, depending solely the interpretation of the Quran based on our linguistic capabilities is quite impossible.

    let me bring you an example, my brother inspi, to explain this to detail so that the we can grab understanding insha allah..

    Allah said:

    “And as for the male thief and female thief cut off their hands…”(al Maida:38)

    the thief according to a definition of language is someone who steals a property from some restricted places, regardless of the value. Anyway from a hadith Ar Rasul pbuh said,

    ” DO NOT cut off the hand except for the one that steals quarter of dinar and what is beyond that”

    So in general meaning i.e language meaning, a thief can be on the first definition which is anybody who steals, but what we derive from here is , it is not like that, it is not supposed to be like that..this is what i mean by ar Rasul explanation of Koran.(His speech/hadith)

    In term of action of Ar Rasul pbuh in explaining Koran, “cut off their hands” and again what is hand in term of language? from the fingers to armpit? yes, if it is based on language interpretation it is but the action of Rasulullah pbuh denied that through his action. He pbuh said (to be cut off from wrists joint) . The sole question is how do we know this application,? From our companions and those are transmitted to us through hadith/sunnah..

    I am so sorry if it is not related to your post, I know your focus is towards the MERCY of ALLAH which is vast.. I agree with that, and even Ar Rasul did practice that, you can find a lot of stories and one of them is regarding a woman from tribe Ghamidiah that fornificated and she did see Rasullullah s.a.w so that hudud would be implemented on her, based on the story Rasulullah s.a.w rejected her declaration at first, denied it, and giving sort of excuses..and Rasulullah s.a.w even reminded Khalid al Walid for verbally abused her(when the persecution was over) by mentioning to companions ) not to do that, because no one can exceed her repentance of her sins and ALLAH forgives her…wallahu alam

    Again, i am sorry if it is not related, i just wanna share.. see you again my brother inspi, insha allah..

    assalamualaikum

  4. inspigoblog says:

    Saudara budiman,
    My focus is on misrepresentation,. MISREPRESENTATION is an intentionally or sometimes negligently , false representation made verbally, or by conduct, or by reference or sometimes by nondisclosure or concealment and often for the purpose of deceiving, defrauding, or causing another to rely on it detrimentally; Overamplification of certain aspects, is also misrepresentation. cut instead of mark, punishment instead of mercy, maidah only instead of maidah and yusuf constitute misrepresentation.

    Hadis sometimes makes things more complicated instead of clarifying.

    ISLAM has been misrepresented as if it is only hudud. Hududdullah has been misrepresented as cutting of the hands. Cutting/marking of the hands has been misrepresented as mutiliation?The example above attempts to explain the quran using the quran.

    The numerical /mathematical method however is questionable.

  5. admin says:

    Could you please explain to me what dya mean by “the numerical/mathematical method” in the light of our discussion, seriously I dont get it..”

    thank you..

  6. inspigoblog says:

    Saudara budiman,

    Rashid Khaliffa the translation I refer to in the above also uses mathematical methods to prove the truth of the quran. I am not into it. The approach to touse the quran to explain the Quran is however has been enlightening.

    as an example above, the arabic word for cut in punishment for thief is compared to the word cut in the “hiris” of the hand in surah yusuf. THis is the BUILT IN TEST of the quran, which is ALLAHs

    No hadis is referred, which to me is acceptable.

    8:27 You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord’s scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it. 18:28 You shall force yourself to be with those who worship their Lord day and night, seeking Him alone. Do not turn your eyes away from them, seeking the vanities of this world. Nor shall you obey one whose heart we rendered oblivious to our message; one who pursues his own desires, and whose priorities are confused.
    39:23 God has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell).

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